Is anyone else shocked/not shocked or confused about the current G body market and prices
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Umm no. He is willing to pay $30k for a car that doesn't need anything. But yeah he would take a turn key car for $15k too. Have one?
I drove to Chicago to buy the car in the link and it was probably a fair price for the car BUT the body and paint was not as good as I personally was after. The rest of the car was very nice and done well. Don't get me wrong, it was a nice car but it goes to prove that a true near perfect car can easily sell for 30k+. That car did sell and I think it was a fair price. I personally have seen several GNs go for over 30k in the real world. I chased multiple TRs all over the country and had several non GN TRs over the 20k mark sold right out from under me, literally. I can tell you after sitting here with a enough cash on hand to spend up to 30k on a ready to go TR and chasing all of these cars, a truely near perfect car will absolutely pull 30k and there are plenty of us that have the cash and ready to do it. I scrapped my search for the "perfect TR" and bought a project GN that needs a full restoration and plenty of rust repair and still paid 5k for it, I have not done a thing to the car yet and already have another 10k invested in parts.
They are not there unless you are extremely lucky. I tried, I failed after a TON of searching
Nope, doesn't surprise me prices are going up. Early 2nd gen stuff is going up in price. The "peak" of high priced 65-72 stuff is starting to soften in my view and moving ion. With the exception of late 2nd gen F body stuff, most of the other american options from 73-78, well, suck. Collonade A body stuff is big and controversial styling, Thunderbird/cougar stuff is the same, Mustang 2 are also bland. I think the only mid 70's stuff that is going to be semi desireable is the full luxo barge Lincoln's and stuff. A body collonade stuff is only half luxo barge 😛
As depressing as it is for american cars, I think import stuff for the 80's is going to take off at a rate faster and higher value than most G body or Fox body stuff since people tend to flock to sporty cars as collectibles and with the exception of a few G bodies, most performance options suck.
I'm glad I have low standards when it comes to G body purchases. Does it have no or very minimal rust, is it something moderately special/rare in terms of G body production? If it checks out I'm in. I'd rather have something with issues than hunt for the "perfect" car, knowing its perfect doesn't do a lot for me.
So yes, prices will go up but at a rate slower and ultimately less valued as previous stuff primarily due to the competition with euro and asian imported cars.
As depressing as it is for american cars, I think import stuff for the 80's is going to take off at a rate faster and higher value than most G body or Fox body stuff since people tend to flock to sporty cars as collectibles and with the exception of a few G bodies, most performance options suck.
I'm glad I have low standards when it comes to G body purchases. Does it have no or very minimal rust, is it something moderately special/rare in terms of G body production? If it checks out I'm in. I'd rather have something with issues than hunt for the "perfect" car, knowing its perfect doesn't do a lot for me.
So yes, prices will go up but at a rate slower and ultimately less valued as previous stuff primarily due to the competition with euro and asian imported cars.
So, this thread kind of led where I thought it might go, I hoped it wouldn't. I set out awhile back to buy another regal awhile back, was hoping for a non GN turbo buick 86/87, had cash in hand to do it, no financing or whatever, cold hard cash in hand. The people saying that the prices on perfect turn key cars are too high and they are not selling, it simply is not true right now. "MOST" of the ones that people are going post to argue my point with low prices advertised as perfect are NOT perfect. "MOST" of the cars with fresh paint advertised, are not done correctly. A truly good done correctly paint job will cost you no less than 10k and most body shops will have your car for a minimum of a year. I went down this road, first was shocked by price, got over the price and then was shocked on the time frame. If it is advertised with "I just spent 5k on paint" RUN, that car likely was not torn down to be painted and they taped around everything to shoot it. That is what people are failing to understand here, a TRUE perfect turn key car that is either untouched original or properly restored even with tasteful mods/engine swaps, they are absolutely pulling the big bucks. I posted this thread hoping to stop some of the price bashing and get people to understand the market. I traveled all over the place, pulled around a enclosed trailer with a diesel chugging truck to transport a TR from anywhere in the country. I have been on the phone and emailed 100s of people on the search for a real turn key TR. At the same time I was looking for another T top 442 hoping to replace my project car, searched base line rust free unmolested regals and I even went down the monte SS path, the real near perfect unmolested or properly built cars are very very few and that is exactly why the prices are where they are. Bash me all you want, this is what I learned from actually being in the market, a real buyer with cash in hand to buy that perfect car. Most of the people bashing the prices are doing it because they don't have the means to buy these cars so they don't get it
Turbo Buick ownership and parts buying is like adopting a pet or buying Ferrari parts 😛 .
You don't just buy turbo buick parts, you pay the current owner a "re-homing" fee for the "privilege" of being the car or part's "caretaker"
Buying SBC parts-
Seller- I have SBC parts. $50
Buyer- I will take them, I have money
Seller- Sold
Buying Turbo Buick parts
Seller- Up for consideration are NOS 86 only springs, please fax history of ownership from past 3 turbo buicks and state intent of use of these parts along with $50 non-refundable deposit to be considered
Buyer- I have owned 2 1st Gen camaro's and a Monte Carlo SS, I bought a turbo buick that has sagging front springs, i want to replace them with factory parts
Seller- Is your car an 86? These springs can ONLY be applied to 86 models. Please send me your VIN, RPO tag, to prove you have an 86. 1st gen camaros are cool and Monte SS's are G bodies but your history concerns me.
Buyer- Does it matter? I have an 87 but think the slightly lower 86's look better
Seller- Yes it matters, I have eliminated you from consideration for these parts.
(not an actual turbo buick parts purchasing experience, just my made up situation I imagine people go through to buy turbo buick parts) I just like making fun of the exclusivity of turbo Buick's.
You don't just buy turbo buick parts, you pay the current owner a "re-homing" fee for the "privilege" of being the car or part's "caretaker"
Buying SBC parts-
Seller- I have SBC parts. $50
Buyer- I will take them, I have money
Seller- Sold
Buying Turbo Buick parts
Seller- Up for consideration are NOS 86 only springs, please fax history of ownership from past 3 turbo buicks and state intent of use of these parts along with $50 non-refundable deposit to be considered
Buyer- I have owned 2 1st Gen camaro's and a Monte Carlo SS, I bought a turbo buick that has sagging front springs, i want to replace them with factory parts
Seller- Is your car an 86? These springs can ONLY be applied to 86 models. Please send me your VIN, RPO tag, to prove you have an 86. 1st gen camaros are cool and Monte SS's are G bodies but your history concerns me.
Buyer- Does it matter? I have an 87 but think the slightly lower 86's look better
Seller- Yes it matters, I have eliminated you from consideration for these parts.
(not an actual turbo buick parts purchasing experience, just my made up situation I imagine people go through to buy turbo buick parts) I just like making fun of the exclusivity of turbo Buick's.
Not too surprised, think people have been expecting them to go up and as people who grew up in that era start to have more disposable income and supply is shrinking, prices go up. Other small factors too, aftermarket support helps for restorations so people know they can find parts and have confidence buying a project, even the popularity of LS swaps I wonder it it has helped a little on the lower end for these cars, people seem to want to buy a cheap g-body so they can stick an LS into it and join the crowd who maybe before weren't into g-bodies otherwise. In general the amount of performance/suspension parts also helps, so people not only could restore and/or modify to their liking. Years ago it was much easier/cheaper to find good used parts but they are still out there.
To suggest a GNX isn't collectible is laughable to me, clearly the low mile/preserved "performance" g-bodies(not even GNX's) have been collectible IMO, as many people preserved/babied them since new. Also a comment earlier about guys not affording to do it due to the economy seems way off base, the economy has been doing pretty well for the last 7-8 years(?). It isn't 2009 anymore. Another factor in prices going up if anything, more people have more money.
They will never be in the muscle car era realm but that doesn't mean it isn't collectible. Most cars aren't going to be among the most popular car in the hobby such as those, doesn't mean they aren't worthy. They have always had their place with hobbyists and enough that are into them to have demand and as many enter the market for one who had one when new or when they were young, maybe their first car, demand goes up.
To suggest a GNX isn't collectible is laughable to me, clearly the low mile/preserved "performance" g-bodies(not even GNX's) have been collectible IMO, as many people preserved/babied them since new. Also a comment earlier about guys not affording to do it due to the economy seems way off base, the economy has been doing pretty well for the last 7-8 years(?). It isn't 2009 anymore. Another factor in prices going up if anything, more people have more money.
They will never be in the muscle car era realm but that doesn't mean it isn't collectible. Most cars aren't going to be among the most popular car in the hobby such as those, doesn't mean they aren't worthy. They have always had their place with hobbyists and enough that are into them to have demand and as many enter the market for one who had one when new or when they were young, maybe their first car, demand goes up.
I'll agree with your synopsis when you explain this example.
https://turbobuick.com/threads/redu...mn-shift-updated-pictures-and-listing.456250/
Does'nt get much cleaner or tastefully done than that.
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