Is anyone else shocked/not shocked or confused about the current G body market and prices

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This debating could go on forever. Probably will. Collectability is mostly a frame of mind anyway. Some people thought Hot Wheels were collectible. I never did. When I was a kid, we rolled many a now-rare car down a 2 X 4 set on fire with lighter fluid and a box of strike anywhere matches. Same with baseball cards. It can be lucrative if you're into collecting and trading things like that. But I never was. In 1969, Mickey Mantle went "flip flip flip" in my bicycle spokes just as well as Jim Maloney did (who? Reds pitcher).

Based on my own personal experience, three terms that can go hand in hand, or stand alone depending on your tastes and viewpoints are: Collectability, Rarity, Desirability. If you get all three together, then prices will reflect it. Price, for the most part, is determined by how all three of those fit together. A rusty hulk of a rare car that's collectible should cost less than a solid example, a rare-optioned car may be desirable, but the 4 doors generally isn't collectible. Price should reflect that. And so it goes.

It's unfortunate in some ways that most G-body "performance" came with 3-oh-nothing powerplants with anemic power. I think this is one strong headwind keeping prices in check for these cars (again, pricing is all relative). Had they had an LS engine in them back then, they'd all be commanding some pretty righteous dollars by now. I think this was the main allure of the muscle-car era cars and what made them so popular- having extra horsepower on tap to move those heavy hulks. So in a way, affordability is still relevant for most G-bodies. It's just finding them before they all rust out. Saving them is more important than whether the car is a collectible or not. JMO. If they never put a turbo on the Regal, then what? At least they did the GN up right.

As for people with money, I don't think that's as much of an issue nowadays as it once was. According to Bloomberg report, the US has more millionaires now than Sweden's entire population. So I don't think it's a money issue.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...-has-more-millionaires-than-sweden-has-people

If you want a turn-key car, prepare to pay a turn-key price. It only hurts for a little while. You forget all about the price of the car in about 4 or 5 years. If you don't mind sinking some $$ into a project, by all means, buy that single repaint or bad original paint (and most G-bodies never come with perfect paint anyway) low mile car and repaint it yourself. At least you'll know the quality of the paint. For some, $40-$50k for a car doesn't hurt. For others, scraping together $3K to buy that solid car down the road as a project may seem a bit tight. It really is all relative. If a car needed ONLY a repaint to be perfect, I'd rather control that than let some P.O. do it for you.

It's all in what flips up your skirt. Your money, your time, your choice.
 
I'll agree with your synopsis when you explain this example.


https://turbobuick.com/threads/redu...mn-shift-updated-pictures-and-listing.456250/

Does'nt get much cleaner or tastefully done than that.

$20K
It has an aftermarket transmission pan and the tires are inside out! Blasphemer! 🙂

Even if it was a tape-off paint job or not, that's a very clean car. I'd pay 20 for that if that was my dream car. It's probably still alive because of the solid top, maybe? I like that leather interior.
 
So, this thread kind of led where I thought it might go, I hoped it wouldn't. I set out awhile back to buy another regal awhile back, was hoping for a non GN turbo buick 86/87, had cash in hand to do it, no financing or whatever, cold hard cash in hand. The people saying that the prices on perfect turn key cars are too high and they are not selling, it simply is not true right now. "MOST" of the ones that people are going post to argue my point with low prices advertised as perfect are NOT perfect. "MOST" of the cars with fresh paint advertised, are not done correctly. A truly good done correctly paint job will cost you no less than 10k and most body shops will have your car for a minimum of a year. I went down this road, first was shocked by price, got over the price and then was shocked on the time frame. If it is advertised with "I just spent 5k on paint" RUN, that car likely was not torn down to be painted and they taped around everything to shoot it. That is what people are failing to understand here, a TRUE perfect turn key car that is either untouched original or properly restored even with tasteful mods/engine swaps, they are absolutely pulling the big bucks. I posted this thread hoping to stop some of the price bashing and get people to understand the market. I traveled all over the place, pulled around a enclosed trailer with a diesel chugging truck to transport a TR from anywhere in the country. I have been on the phone and emailed 100s of people on the search for a real turn key TR. At the same time I was looking for another T top 442 hoping to replace my project car, searched base line rust free unmolested regals and I even went down the monte SS path, the real near perfect unmolested or properly built cars are very very few and that is exactly why the prices are where they are. Bash me all you want, this is what I learned from actually being in the market, a real buyer with cash in hand to buy that perfect car. Most of the people bashing the prices are doing it because they don't have the means to buy these cars so they don't get it

I couldn't have said it better myself.
I will add that years ago people didn't think garden variety 64-72 A body coupes would be worth anything. Now you have 2 door Chevelles and Cutlass that are $20 to $40k. I certainly wouldn't pay $60k-$100k for the performance versions.
I would never pay that much for one of them because they are not my cup of tea. But just because someone doesn't feel that the 78-88 A/G bodies are worth that much to them doesn't mean someone else feels the same way. There are people paying $30k plus for a Buick Grand National and what you said reinforces this fact.
 
Turbo Buick ownership and parts buying is like adopting a pet or buying Ferrari parts 😛 .

You don't just buy turbo buick parts, you pay the current owner a "re-homing" fee for the "privilege" of being the car or part's "caretaker"

Buying SBC parts-
Seller- I have SBC parts. $50
Buyer- I will take them, I have money
Seller- Sold

Buying Turbo Buick parts
Seller- Up for consideration are NOS 86 only springs, please fax history of ownership from past 3 turbo buicks and state intent of use of these parts along with $50 non-refundable deposit to be considered
Buyer- I have owned 2 1st Gen camaro's and a Monte Carlo SS, I bought a turbo buick that has sagging front springs, i want to replace them with factory parts
Seller- Is your car an 86? These springs can ONLY be applied to 86 models. Please send me your VIN, RPO tag, to prove you have an 86. 1st gen camaros are cool and Monte SS's are G bodies but your history concerns me.
Buyer- Does it matter? I have an 87 but think the slightly lower 86's look better
Seller- Yes it matters, I have eliminated you from consideration for these parts.

(not an actual turbo buick parts purchasing experience, just my made up situation I imagine people go through to buy turbo buick parts) I just like making fun of the exclusivity of turbo Buick's.

And now everyone understands why I dumped my Turbo Buick (and residual parts stock) a few years ago for a relative song and ran (!). The vast majority of the established long standing personalities associated with these cars are getting very old and tiresome (self-proclaimed and touted "gooroos") sheeple with limited intellectual flexibility - which is why they are the PERFECT collector car for asshats who want to buy into perceived exclusivity and pander to the egos and pad the pockets of others for "approved parts".

Generally speaking I prefer the regular G-body owner who bought an entry-level car and made it their own through years of hard work and innovation. That includes the dude who gets an old woody wagon and expends a lot of effort/expense having a few components remade/refurbished just to get the car on the road (nothing but love, CaliWagon83).

When is this 4th coffee going to kick in?!
 
Easy, number one that car was sold way too cheap for todays market IMO. Like I said, there are those rare deals out there. One thing that hurt this sale was it is the interior, while I like that setup, the column shift cars never pull as much as a true bucket seat car. I would be willing to say that the interior was probably a 5k hit. Had I seen that car before it sold, I likely would have bought it (except I really wanted T tops). Another note, while it looks amazing in the pictures, neither one of us have seen it in person. This car says paint is 9/10, that pearl white car above looked amazing in pictures and I was told it had a 9.5/10 paint job on it with 2 noted paint chips. That car in person, to a picky person like myself,it had many paint and body issues that you could not see in the pictures.
 
And now everyone understands why I dumped my Turbo Buick (and residual parts stock) a few years ago for a relative song and ran (!). The vast majority of the established long standing personalities associated with these cars are getting very old and tiresome (self-proclaimed and touted "gooroos") sheeple with limited intellectual flexibility - which is why they are the PERFECT collector car for asshats who want to buy into perceived exclusivity and pander to the egos and pad the pockets of others for "approved parts".

Generally speaking I prefer the regular G-body owner who bought an entry-level car and made it their own through years of hard work and innovation. That includes the dude who gets an old woody wagon and expends a lot of effort/expense having a few components remade/refurbished just to get the car on the road (nothing but love, CaliWagon83).

When is this 4th coffee going to kick in?!

Damn. 🤔
 
And now everyone understands why I dumped my Turbo Buick (and residual parts stock) a few years ago for a relative song and ran (!). The vast majority of the established long standing personalities associated with these cars are getting very old and tiresome (self-proclaimed and touted "gooroos") sheeple with limited intellectual flexibility - which is why they are the PERFECT collector car for asshats who want to buy into perceived exclusivity and pander to the egos and pad the pockets of others for "approved parts".

Generally speaking I prefer the regular G-body owner who bought an entry-level car and made it their own through years of hard work and innovation. That includes the dude who gets an old woody wagon and expends a lot of effort/expense having a few components remade/refurbished just to get the car on the road (nothing but love, CaliWagon83).

When is this 4th coffee going to kick in?!


Those guys are going to hate me when they find out what I am doing to my GN lol. I'm not only swapping out a turbo engine for a LS, I'm more than likely changing the color of it too.
 
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Those guys are going to hate me when they find out what I am doing to my GN lol. I'm not only swapping out a turbo engine for a LS, I'm more than likely changing the color of it too.
Holy sh*t snot! They'll crucify you. 🙂
 
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