My Latest Carburetor (q-jet guys will get a kck out of this)

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Oldsmoletick said:
?? Are you looking at when I had it gutted? I had to remove the t-case shifter to clean it, along with the trans shifter, they were both full of mouse presents, lol nasty, :puke: . The jeep is still 4wd though, interior is all disinfected, cleaned and installed now :lol: (minus a carpet).

I was just asking cause it didn't sound like you were looking at changing two sets of gears...I welded up the crack in the exhaust manifold, finished repairing that cv in the front drive shaft and installed it and that's enough for me for the jeep. You must have alot more ambition and energy than I do at this time of year.
 
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Bonnewagon said:
Oldsmoletick, ever ride a bicycle up a big hill? Being in the wrong gear makes you feel a hundred years old, right? Same with the car. A lot of performance issues can be traced to the rear gears not letting the motor flex it's muscle. Sadly, starting in the early 70's GM installed dead gears for these reasons: grams-of-pollutants-per-mile, and C.A.F.E., which is Corporate Average Fuel Economy. So a 2:29 geared car in high gear on the open highway got the most fuel economy and polluted the least with performance not even a consideration. That is why you saw the Saginaw manual trans eventually get a 3:50 first gear, to knock down those 2:41 rear gears. Then came overdrive transmissions which basically did the same but used 3:42 rears in the "performance" cars for some much needed relief. Huge tires affect things as you noted. Ever wonder why the racers use 4:11's and up? Besides for great acceleration, those big slicks affect the ratio, especially at high speed as they grow in diameter, effectively changing the ratio even more.

Sometimes I wish my bike had a choice of gear :lol: (BMXer here, lol). Yeah that makes sense, I just never looked that far into it, I always just looked at, the lower gear numerically the harder the engine has to work to accelerate, never looked passed that into "engine performance" actually suffering.

pontiacgp said:
I was just asking cause it didn't sound like you were looking at changing two sets of gears...I welded up the crack in the exhaust manifold, finished repairing that cv in the front drive shaft and installed it and that's enough for me for the jeep. You must have alot more ambition and energy than I do at this time of year.

I wouldn't be doing the gear swap this year, that would be a next summer thing when I have more time (hopefully). I still have to do the suspension in this thing before winter hits, hopefully with in the next couple weeks, it will be more than just a highway queen, lol. Then I can work on proving my offroad buddies wrong about carburetors, hahaha.
 
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Here is a handy calculator for figuring gears and tires. You get to see what affect the changes make. http://www.wallaceracing.com/calcmph.php
 
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Soooooooo, the jeep has been busting my balls for a while now, I'd get it tuned in all nice, nice in the garage, take it out for a drive, idle would go sky high, and then I'd make an adjustment to bring it back down, go for a drive, sky high again. :blam: I'd it get to idle down, and it would end up with a hard start, extended crank, poor idle, or dieseling upon shut down. I finally got it to a point where it would start OK, run good, shut down OK, idle pretty smooth (bout how it did with efi), but still too high, nothing I did seemed to make the thing just work smooth, that was, until Saturday.....

When I built this Carb I didn't realize there was such an animal that existed, a Q-jet with no timed vacuum port. I didn't find this out until I had it all put together and running, went to hook up the vac advance, and found only full manifold vacuum on the carb. I figured, eh no big deal, I did some reading about using full manifold vacuum, found that many folks favor it over timed vac, so I decided I'll give it a shot and see what happens. As you read above, I have been fighting with getting it tuned in right. Everythng from crappy idle, to miserable cold weather starts, to extended crank times on warm starts. Friday night got very pissed off at the thing as I pulled into my driveway and the idle shot upto about 1200. Started look around at my parts carbs, noticed there were a few that lacked a timed vacuum port, but I did find one, that had what I wanted, and was a good enough unit to use.

I spent Saturday afternoon, into the evening tearing the base plate down, cleaning it, tweaking it to work properly, in prep for installation on my carb. This is only change I made, just the base plate with a timed vac port, I installed the idle mixtures screws as they were in the non timed plate, I made no adjustmenst anywhere else. I bolted the carb on, and fired it up, adjusted the idle, let it warm up good, got the vac gauge out, set the idle mixture screws, and that that engine has never run smoother or quieter, I was more than pleased to say the least. I hopped in and went out for a test drive, came back, had to knock the idle back down a tick, shut it down for the night. Went out sunday morning, (cold btw, maybe 20 out), gave the pedal two pumps, it fired quicker than ever, did not try to stall (another thing it was doing), made my adjustments to my high idle, and it worked exactly how I wanted it to. Now when I pull upto a stop light, in drive, the jeep idles at about 500rpm, smooth as could be. The ill effect of this minor change, damn secondaries are out of whack again, :lol: . Before I proceed with that though, I figured it may be in my best interest to find out what the factory timing curve looks like on one of these engines, being impatient as always, I didn't think to check it when it had efi, lol.

At any rate, jeep is running very well now, and finally, I can honestly say I'm happy with it. What baffles me, why the hell would it be untunable with full manifold vacuum, what are the people doing different to be able to use it? Personally I've always used timed, but I often hear others praise full manifold as superior to timed? I don't consider myself great with tuning, but I'm not terrible either, this thing was making me look like a monkey ******* a football, hahaha.
 
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was there no ported vacuum on the body of the carb?
 
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Yeah, that seems weird. Glad you got it sorted out though.
 
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pontiacgp said:
was there no ported vacuum on the body of the carb?

Nope, none of the ports had timed vacuum, I thought that was really odd for a 1980 carb, I checked and rechecked to make sure I wasn't going batty, lol.

Bonnewagon said:
Yeah, that seems weird. Glad you got it sorted out though.

Yup, and because of that, I'm now more informed on what to look for when chosing a rebuild victim, so I won't make that mistake again, it's not all bad :lol: .
 
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is there any place you can install a thermal vacuum switch like what's used on our gm engines so the distributor gets no vacuum till the engine warms up...
 
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That was part of the issue, once the engine fully warmed up the idle would go wild on me, I thought about the ported switch (which I would have to buy, yeah I'm being cheap again, lol), but I had the throttle plate kicking around, along with a new base gasket and plate gasket. It's nice now though, just by switching the throttle plate out, it solved all the issues I was having with the primary side of the carb. It's possible the other was warped, but I put straight edge on it prior to building, it seemed good.
 
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