My next SWEET project (Buick)

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2fit661ca

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Okay, so it's not my next project, I still have to finish making my current Cutlass road worthy, then do my V8 swap into my Blazer... but this follows those two.

Everyone who has ever owned one knows how awesome the 3.8L 3800 Buick engine is. It is reliable as hell, efficient, and even though (mine) only puts out 165 h.p. and 230 ft lbs. stock, it uses every last bit of it to make the most performance out of this motor. Everyone who has ever cared to research this motor knows that the most reliable in general is the Series II SFI found in the 88 to 91 Buick LeSabres and other like vehicles. The downfall to this is that the bodies they put these motors into suck... badly... They are horrible to look at, they only came in colors found in a Tupperware catalog from the 70s, they sit very close to the ground, and the interior is built with the cheapest plastics known to man. ...and have you every tried to pick up chicks in one?? I mean, the odds of being in your 454 Monte or Grand National every time you see hot chicks is not good....

So I was thinking... why not put this superior engine into a car that is actually deserving of it? Like maybe a mid 80s Regal?? Then you could have a reliable drivetrain that would roll the odometer over tenfold, while at the same time, haveing the classy body that everyone digs.
1987buickRegalTurbo.jpg

I allready have a donor car with only 57k on it.
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I was thinking that maybe with all of the extra room under the hood, I might even be able to Turbo the motor. It's been done before... I could call it a Gran Sport... or maybe... a Grand National... yeah... I kinda like that name...


What do you guys think? Would it be cool to have a G-body that is economical, reliable, and still has enough power to keep up with traffic? On top of that, it would be fuel injected, so it would start easier, and it could be turbo-ed. The 3800 parts are abundant to do the fact that it is the most common and most produced motor in the U.S. less maybe the Chevy Small Block.

Please note: The 3800 V6 and the carbureted 3.8 may be the same essential block… but they are NOT the same motor.

And thanks to another 3800 feature, swaping it from front wheel drive to rear will be easy. The intake is reversible.

Am I wacked? Or am I onto something?
 

JBreu

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Different...............But kinda cool......If you do it, I guess this is the thread...........I want to see it as it happens....... 8)
 

bigjoenvegas

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I had one of these for a couple years and I have to agree that the body's on these suck! Although I think it had a different motor than what your talking about but this thing was one quick car! $20 bucks in gas would last all week and they are dependable as hell too. But this was back in the day. It would be a one-of-a-kind car! Throw it in that '70 maybe '71 beetle and watch what happens! :twisted:
 

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R/T kota

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Don't quote me on this but I think you will find that you will be limited on transmissions. I think the bell housing on the fwd 3800 is different than your average chev or bop pattern.
 

2fit661ca

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R/T kota said:
Don't quote me on this but I think you will find that you will be limited on transmissions. I think the bell housing on the fwd 3800 is different than your average chev or bop pattern.

To the best of my knowledge, the FWD 3.8L uses the same BOP as the rear wheel, or so it appeared when I tore 3 of them apart... but I never actually cared to check, so there is a good chance I am wrong. I will have to look more into it.
 

R/T kota

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Got curious and looked into it.
They are different.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_GM ... g_patterns
GM metric pattern Also called the GM small corporate pattern and the S10 pattern

This pattern has a distinctive odd-sided hexagonal shape.

* GM 60° V6 family FWD/RWD V6; 2.8/3.1/3.4 L
* Buick FWD/RWD 90° 3800 V6
* Cadillac 4.1/4.5/4.9 L V8
* Isuzu 3.5L DOHC V6
* 1984-03 Jeep/AMC/Chrysler 2.5L/150 in³ I4 found in Jeep Cherokee, Wagoneer, Comanche, and Wrangler models (except Grand Wagoneer & Grand Cherokee) and 1996-2002 Dodge Dakotas.
* Jeep/AMC 2.8L V6 (GM engine)
* GM Iron Duke FWD inline 4
* 1984-93 GM Iron Duke/Tech-4 RWD inline 4
* 2.0L 2.2L OHV
GM_60deg_V6_bellhousing.JPG


Buick, Oldsmobile, Pontiac (BOP) V8 pattern * Post-1965 Buick/Oldsmobile/Pontiac RWD V8's
* Buick Big Block's and post-1963 Small Block V8's
* Buick pre-3800 90° RWD V6's
* Jeep "Dauntless" 225 in³ oddfire V6 (1967-1974) and Buick 350 V8 (1969-1970)
* Cadillac cast iron V8s after 1967 (1968-85 472 and 500, 368 and 425)
* Starters are on the left (drivers) side on Olds 350-455 and Pontiac and the right (passenger) side on Cadillac 425/472/500 and Buick 225/231/3800/300/340/350/400/430/455.

225_231_jeep_buick_bellhousing.JPG
 

CamaroAdam73

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You'll be knee deep in fabrication anyways, make an adapter kit!

You should've posted this sooner hah, i scrapped an 91 Buick century with the 3800 motor, and it ran ****ing great. I scrapped it because the body fell apart, literally. The rear axle removed itself from the floor, with pieces of the floor still attached lol.
 

jrm81bu

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Look for a v6 powered 3rd gen f-body for the transmission. It should bolt to the block but it will need mods as if you were putting a 700r4 in to any g-body.
 

Blake442

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jrm81bu said:
Look for a v6 powered 3rd gen f-body for the transmission. It should bolt to the block but it will need mods as if you were putting a 700r4 in to any g-body.

X2

There's another guy that used to post here with an '85 Cutlass with a 3800 V6.
He used a motor/trans out of a mid-'90s F-body.
 
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