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That section is on the north east side. You would think given the prevailing winds, that the snow would build up and do just what you are saying. But honestly the most we've had on that section might be a small patch 6" deep. I'm not concerned about it but I like your thinking.
 
From experience, and looking at that roof pitch orientation, we're you going to consider sinking a narrow concrete tube halfway between deck and platform to put a short wooden post to support the string at the midpoint so that as the heavy snow slides down and hits it it doesn't stress the assembly?

Or double up on stringers?
 
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Or double up on stringers?
The only problem with doubled stringers is you're still limited by weight. A mini ridge beam of sorts supported by the concrete posts under the midpoint of the stringers adds more strength at roughly equal cost when you're doing the labor yourself.

Remember basic physics, F = M * A

Mass of wet snow is roughly 20lbs a square ft. Compacted may be more. Also recall that roof is unheated by appearances. We'll ignore any ice load or compacted snow.

Pretend 12 linear ft of the snow off the roof surface fell at once. Now we've got a 240lb load.

Then we can use Mass * Gravitational Acceleration * Distance = Impact force.

9.8 m/s^2 would be gravitational acceleration. To over simplify, let's ignore the sideways acceleration that makes the trajectory an arc and increases movement/flight time. Let's just assume for easy numbers we're looking at, on average, a ft drop from middle of the fall to the ground.

So 240 lb/Sq ft * 9.8 m/s^2 * 3.66m (equivalent of 12 ft) = 8615 N of force at impact per square ft. on the stairs.

6 ft wide that's 51,703 N of force on the 6ft wide stairs at impact for a 1ft deep pile.

One Newton is 0.225 lbs of force. So, that 1ft pile of snow coming off 12 ft of roof surface hits at 11,633 lbs of force in one shot. The lumber isn't rated to take that abuse through the years, which, is how people get into deterioration issues.

(And this post is what happens when someone who apprenticed to an architect a few years before getting into a chemical and oceanographic engineering background reads about stairs and see a sloped roof over them.) 😆

But when you calculate numbers out, they become eye popping.
 
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Trust me, I've mulled stair placement over for months. There are pros and cons to every location. If the stairs are closer to the house the roof valley will deluge them with rain water. If they are on the front of the deck it blocks the view from the basement bedroom... if they are on the other end it blocks the view from the French doors out of the basement. This is the lesser of all evils... when they wear out in 25 years, I'll pay someone else to replace them 🤣
 
The only problem with doubled stringers is you're still limited by weight. A mini ridge beam of sorts supported by the concrete posts under the midpoint of the stringers adds more strength at roughly equal cost when you're doing the labor yourself.

Remember basic physics, F = M * A

Mass of wet snow is roughly 20lbs a square ft. Compacted may be more. Also recall that roof is unheated by appearances. We'll ignore any ice load or compacted snow.

Pretend 12 linear ft of the snow off the roof surface fell at once. Now we've got a 240lb load.

Then we can use Mass * Gravitational Acceleration * Distance = Impact force.

9.8 m/s^2 would be gravitational acceleration. To over simplify, let's ignore the sideways acceleration that makes the trajectory an arc and increases movement/flight time. Let's just assume for easy numbers we're looking at, on average, a ft drop from middle of the fall to the ground.

So 240 lb/Sq ft * 9.8 m/s^2 * 3.66m (equivalent of 12 ft) = 8615 N of force at impact per square ft. on the stairs.

6 ft wide that's 51,703 N of force on the 6ft wide stairs at impact for a 1ft deep pile.

One Newton is 0.225 lbs of force. So, that 1ft pile of snow coming off 12 ft of roof surface hits at 11,633 lbs of force in one shot. The lumber isn't rated to take that abuse through the years, which, is how people get into deterioration issues.

(And this post is what happens when someone who apprenticed to an architect a few years before getting into a chemical and oceanographic engineering background reads about stairs and see a sloped roof over them.) 😆

But when you calculate numbers out, they become eye popping.

So many words. My line of thinking here is akin to doubling up floor trusses near a stairwell as an alternative to having a load bearing wall running next to them to support that weight.
 
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So many words. My line of thinking here is akin to doubling up floor trusses near a stairwell as an alternative to having a load bearing wall running next to them to support that weight.
I do get it, I just have a tendency to overbuild and forget it. An unsupported span is still an unsupported span. There's a limit to what a doubled unsupported span takes compared to support beneath.

Then again, it's all academic anyways. First off, Streetbu will make his kids rebuild it for him or withhold their inheritance... 🤔 Second off, it sounds like turbulence off the roof and wind patterns conspire to keep snow away from the area altogether. Third, it's avoidable by engaging in the headache of clearing snow buildup before it gets big, or, again, forcing kids to do it for you.
 
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Concrete poured. Took 17 bags and just over 1 hour. Waiting for it to dry up a bit so I can finish the edge and brush it.

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