Recommended rear control arms??

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You keep on repeating this but I have to dis-agree.
I had the stock upper & lower arms boxed with poly bushings and ran it like this for over 10 years.
No signs of binding or "snap oversteer" and I never crashed my car.
The arms still looked good when I took them off,the holes were still as round as when they were put in.
Please stop trying to use scare tactics where its not called for.
Guy

It's not scare tactics, it is the truth and the risk you take with these kinds of mods. The 4 link rear suspension requires bushing and arms deflection for normal operation. Boxing the arms and using poly bushings hinders normal operation, not enhance it. It also just transfer the twisting to the rear control arm mount increasing the chance they will break. Just because you have been ok, so far, doesn't mean somebody else will. But the fact is you and others running boxed arms and poly bushings are running with an increased risk of snap oversteer, wither you accept it or not. Physics don't care if you accept them or not. The 4 link suspension is prone to wheel hopping and snap oversteer, wheel hop is the less serious of the two for a street or highway situation.


As I said before, there are no signs of snap oversteer, you just suddenly lose control without warning. What happens is with boxed arms and poly bushings cause binding. This binding causes greater understeer and a false sense of greater control and handling. If the binding suspension snaps lose out of the bind, then you violently go from understeer to oversteer which is difficult for even a professional driver to avoid crashing. So the only sign is you losing control without warning, that you stating never having any sign of snap oversteer betrays your lack of knowledge on the subject. If you have experienced snap oversteer, you would have likely crashed. Snap oversteer is most likely to happen on on and off ramps.

All I am saying is spend the little extra on arms with roto joints to avoid binding, which are simply a better product. They are also safer and perform better, what is so wrong about suggesting a better product?
 
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Thanks for all the input guys. I'm with going umi adjustable uppers with the rotos for now. Then wait and get the umi boxed lowers with the rotos.
 
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All I am saying is spend the little extra on arms with roto joints to avoid binding, which are simply a better product. They are also safer and perform better, what is so wrong about suggesting a better product?

I did the 8.8 swap so I had to get spherical ends on top and it has been great. For the lowers I boxed them and installed new rubber bushings. This setup has provided solid performance but also good road quality. Just my .02
 
Thanks for all the input guys. I'm with going umi adjustable uppers with the rotos for now. Then wait and get the umi boxed lowers with the rotos.

They make roto style bushings that press into the stock arms. I think Speedway sells them. You can box the lowers and install these on a budget.
 
Snap oversteer you mean surprise drift lessons? 😛 but I think umi has hit the nail on the head ie there own nail they designed them if it wasn't safe would they sell them... No. Depends on the budget you have go with rotojointa if the mula is there if not go poly you will be fine always an option to upgrade later
 
I would like to see how the lower OEM control arm flexes when the stock sway bar is installed
 
Has anyone used sphon performance upper controls arms they are $40 cheaper than umi and have some of the same features
 
I have a 67 Chevelle rear and the UMI conversion uppers were the only ones I found that had a roto joint.
 
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