Whelp..... progress? Hellcat engine to cease production after 2023 model.

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Well, Strenlantis has announced, all current Challenger's will be done by 2023, then an all electric for the 2024 new model. Crap, a little sooner but I will buy one of last ones made. The Camaro the same, no loss, it just has never looked right. Will the Mustang follow suit, with no gas model? Sorry, the current Electric version doesn't look great. Even if any of them look good, will they have a 1000 km range available? I would bet, not even close. Yes, we drive 300 km one way to go fishing and return the same day. It is right next to a Hydro Electric Dam but when and where will all these fast rate charge stations be installed? I'm not shopping for hours just to charge my car.

The thing is politicians and their city-dwelling constituents don't care about your fishing trip being inconvenienced. Mobility restrictions and consumerism are just lovely by-products of the service contract model that comes with your EV car or truck.

That said this is the least sucky EV I have seen to date:

800hp, goes 300 miles, pulls 10,000+lbs, and doesn't look like a suppository.
 
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The thing is politicians and their city-dwelling constituents don't care about your fishing trip being inconvenienced. Mobility restrictions and consumerism are just lovely by-products of the service contract model that comes with your EV car or truck.

That said this is the least sucky EV I have seen to date:

800hp, pulls 10,000+lbs, and doesn't look like a suppository.
Definitely better than the stupid cyber truck but the front end on that Rivian is UGLY. I personally favor the Ford lightning right now
 
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Definitely better than the stupid cyber truck but the front end on that Rivian is UGLY. I personally favor the Ford lightning right now

If I am buying into the "first generation" of EV utilities, the last thing I am getting is a Ford. I mean the Rivian has vegan leather and I want to virtue signal to everyone while I overland my way to tailgate outside the Flame Monroe show.
 
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If I am buying into the "first generation" of EV utilities, the last thing I am getting is a Ford. I mean the Rivian has vegan leather and I want to virtue signal to everyone while I overland my way to tailgate outside the Flame Monroe show.
You'll come around eventually.

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Nobody is coming for your cars and “forcing “you to drive electric.
Finally! Something we can both agree on. Sure, EV buyers get a tax credit while petrol burners get fuel tax increases. Sure, the manufacturers get subsidies to produce EVs that they don't get for dirty gas cars. It's not like they're going to discontinue old gas/diesel models and replace them with EV models, thereby limiting consumer choice. Sure, we should trust unelected bureaucrats to arbitrarily dictate CAFE standards that make ICE all but unable to compete. Sure, there isn't the infrastructure to support the EV push, but .gov can just print money and raise taxes to eventually cover that. That shouldn't have any negative effects on the economy. Besides, that's what "government money" is for. Sure, domestic petroleum production is being strangled, but we can always just buy from other countries and ship it here. That's way greener and more cost effective anyway. Not like it would cause gas prices to double over the course of a few months or anything. We'll just build more wind farms that never break even or cover more farm ground with solar panels. And sure, some states may even outright ban gas/diesel vehicles, but I 100% agree, no one is "forcing" you. This is just what a "free" market does.
 
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After reading through this, it's reminding me of the LS Tesla-swap thread!
Lot's of misinformation and/or misinformed users

Few things:
-The price of electric per kWh increasing even though our devices and appliances are more energy efficient? That's because there's more people around now then there were 10, 20, 30 years ago. More people equals more usage, even if your lightbulbs are LED
-For everyone concerned about taking a 1000-mile road trip in an EV vs gas, watch this
-For everyone concerned with generation capacity issues: I work as an engineer for a power company in the mid-Atlantic. One answer is DERs, or distributed energy resources. Think solar panels, in specific. We actually have OVER-generation problems in my area with regards to solar - too much is being produced and not enough people are using the energy. Two main solutions for this - store the energy captured in the middle of the day for later use, and/or use the energy as it is being produced. This could mean storing the energy in grid-connected batteries, water reservoirs, flywheels, as heat in different mediums like water, etc. Or by charging your EV at work during the day if that option is available to you (becoming more popular, at least in my neck of the woods). For people who work remotely of from home, just charge the car in the middle of the day.
-In my area, natural gas the most popular form of generation. It easily accommodates changes in load, it's easy to obtain, it burns relatively clean, it is very efficient in CHP facilities, the list goes on. A new natural gas plant was just finished not far from my house 3 years ago. New generation facilities are still popping up, it's not like they've stopped being built.
-At my company, we spend over 100 million per year either building new power lines or re-building old power lines. I suppose we may be further ahead than some other parts of the country, but things are looking fine in that regard over here.

It's not all doom and gloom, and I think the issue is being vastly blown out of proportion. Obviously there is a lot of work that needs to be done, however it's not as bad as some people make it out to be.

I think in their current state, EVs make sense for the majority of drivers. As time goes forward they will be accessible for the remainder of drivers.

I drive an EV and have had it for around a year and a third. 2017 model year. I put about 500 miles on it per week. It's taken me on multiple road trips lasting 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 hours long. It's had no issues so far, only have good things to say about it.
 
The Cybertruck has a 500mile range, it will require about a 1:30 supercharge to get another +/-400 miles. in 5-8 years this will be average capacity and then it wont be a problem. The technology is evolving very quickly, stop waving your cane at the kids on your lawn. 🤣 🤣 🤣

The Nissan Versa has a 500 mi range, it requires about 13 gallons of low test fuel, takes about 2.5 (minutes) to recharge. Oh, and it exists right now, has an infrastructure already in place, costs you about $13k, and you aren't reliant on the whims of a big tech company to use it.

The kindergarten name calling is a tactic frequently used by EV fanbois.. as is the claim that EV technology "will get better", "in its infancy" blah blah blah. EV's have been in production since the early 1900s. They failed then, they failed in the 1990s and they would fail now if this were a true free market without the mandates, fines, distortions, subsidizing, credits, propaganda, etc.
 
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The thing is politicians and their city-dwelling constituents don't care about your fishing trip being inconvenienced. Mobility restrictions and consumerism are just lovely by-products of the service contract model that comes with your EV car or truck.

That said this is the least sucky EV I have seen to date:

800hp, goes 300 miles, pulls 10,000+lbs, and doesn't look like a suppository.
Reminds me a bit of the Maverick, probably the colour. It isn't half bad, I'm just not a truck guy. It kind of reminds me of high speed internet. Rural areas got screwed for years, I expect this will be similar, suck it people in the sticks🤔. FYI, I HATE being in the City. I have gotten quite good at getting the Four Thousand Pound Monstrosity in tight places. Getting a hair over 20 mpg with pure Shitty driving. Ah, living in the stupid Shitty.
 
The Nissan Versa has a 500 mi range, it requires about 13 gallons of low test fuel, takes about 2.5 (minutes) to recharge. Oh, and it exists right now, has an infrastructure already in place, costs you about $13k, and you aren't reliant on the whims of a big tech company to use it.

The kindergarten name calling is a tactic frequently used by EV fanbois.. as is the claim that EV technology "will get better", "in its infancy" blah blah blah. EV's have been in production since the early 1900s. They failed then, they failed in the 1990s and they would fail now if this were a true free market without the mandates, fines, distortions, subsidizing, credits, propaganda, etc.
Settle down there big wheels. Jim is my friend, it's a playful ribbing at best.
 
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