Adding to what TexasGP said, welding is a very good skill to have in the hotrodding world, but I don't have the time, resources, or space to have my car takin up space in the driveway immobile, even a few feet back and forth, for x amount of time for me to learn how to weld. And I don't think something that holds the transmission in is a good thing to practice welding on. Plus, stock xmembers are ugly as sin. It's more money up front, but I do think I'm gonna go with the go force after looking at pictures (thanks ham1974, and re-looking through TexasGP's build thread) as it provides the largest clearance "window", I guess you could call it, for the exhaust. The iceman one is just straight across from the frame mounting point but the g gforce, while moreso than the jegs, has the U shaped bits that extend upwards from the mounting point a good what, 2" or so? Don't have one handy to measure. I do want to learn how to weld, but this isn't really the best time or place. Maybe when I have my own place, with actual service to the garage, not a 12g extension cord from the outlet on the side of the house (my parents rent, so dickin with the wiring), and a place to put the car. And another car to drive in the mean time. The stock x member fits in there fine with room to spare, so a GForce should fit nicely. thank you all for your input and pictures. hopefully this thread will be of use to those in the future.