BUILD THREAD 86 GP 2+2~Blown 6.0

81cutlass

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And as a reminder to the viewer ;) I have an 8.5 with 7.5 axle tubes so if you have a stock 7.5 or 8.5 this is roughly where you will be since all my geometry is near to factory as you can really do.

I don't know what the ride will be like but the spring rate on these is within 15lbs if I recall of what I found stock f41 spring rate to be.
 
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81cutlass

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Ah, yeah with 800's up front you might want something stiffer in the back.

My 5660's up front are 600lb/in and these are 130, and stock was 120. I would have liked something in the 160 range but I'll see how these end up.

It's just a cruiser after all ;)
 
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81cutlass

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Rock auto application moog says 350-425 depending on AC, f41, v8, ect.

I know GM advertising brochures claimed each car was 'computerized selection' for spring rate which I don't know if they actually had dozens of springs a few pounds away from each other depending on options or if that was all advertising BS.
 
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Rock auto application moog says 350-425 depending on AC, f41, v8, ect.

I know GM advertising brochures claimed each car was 'computerized selection' for spring rate which I don't know if they actually had dozens of springs a few pounds away from each other depending on options or if that was all advertising BS.

The Envoys had like 8 or 10 different spring rates so it's not out of the question. They went from high 200s I think up to 440# I know. We have 360# in ours and it's a bit boaty.
 
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81cutlass

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Snow report says

Insurance is staying off for a bit.

Might as well get my clutch delay valve hooked up.

Maybe buy a real set of adjustable shocks?

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81cutlass

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Clutch delay valve? I know of orifices, but not actual valves for a T56?

I am putting a needle valve in the hose that runs between the clutch master and slave cylinder that is engaged by a solenoid valve and controlled by the shifter being in 1st gear.

Basically if the car is in 1st gear it energizes a solenoid which reroutes the pressure from the master cylinder through a needle valve.

Plan is to light the second bulb at the track and put the car in 1st gear thus rerouting flow. When it turns green, side step clutch pedal. I have a lowdoller 400psi pressure transducer wired into the stock PCM that HPtuners is logging clutch pressure. If I bog the engine or spin tires I can slow down the clutch clamping time by restricting flow on the needle valve. I can measure that with the sensor, so lets say it takes 0.4 seconds for the clutch to fully lock and it bogs, I can dial the valve in so it takes 0.6 seconds. That way I can dial in a consistent, repeatable amount of time per a specific HP and track 'stickiness'.

Once I am out of 1st gear the valve will open back to unrestricted flow and the clutch will clamp as fast as I can get my foot off the clutch and the springs overtake the inertia of the clutch.

Basically it's a fancy version of the people that used to bolt screen door closers to clutch pedals to slow the clutch grab down on older stick cars and a more instrumented version of a product that is sold which I am improving on because well, those 6 damn years of engineering classes have broke me and I refuse to accept 90% of aftermarket components because I find obvious design errors and decide I can improve on them.
 
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64nailhead

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Lets talk shocks,

What do you have and what are you looking to get?
 
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