I got them for $50 from a friend so that's why I'm using these. They're for an f body apparently with the mount plates I'm planning to get they sit the engine is believe an inch forward so I won't have to modify the header at all because I've read all over that I would have to modify an f body Lt to get it to clear the frame rail on the driver side
I hear you. I was going to cobble some 4th Gen F-body long tubes to fit, but sold them off because it was just an unpleasant solution (and it isn't like I don't enjoy welding and fabricating). Save your pennies and get the good one.