now the frigging started went.

[Tim benigno]

 

[Tim benigno]

We got no luck ,I think I should wrap the header ,maybe the heat affected the starter

 

[pontiacgp]

you could use a mini starter and wire it to use a ford style solenoid so it can be mounted away from the heat of the headers. I have a CVR starter with the ford style solenoid mounted on the wheel well and never had a problem with heat.

 

[Ribbedroof]

Header wrap on a street car usually leads to a very short life span for the header.

 

[crucial118]

Pontiac, aren't you still technically using the stock position solenoid in that diagram? The part you are trying to bypass. Why not just run the battery wire from the remote solenoid directly to the starter stud, bypassing the stock solenoid all together? Then there would not be a need for the short wire from the batt post to the s terminal.

 

[HAFROD]

Check your voltage with a multimeter. Check it at battery and then check the big starter post on starter solenoid. Should be the same. If your header is cooking the starter it would do it when engine has been ran and not dead cold. I have ran stock starters on a few G bodies with the shorty style headers with no hot start issues. You just did a big stereo system install didn't you? I wonder if your battery was weak and then the big amps finished it off or the alternator. You can get a digital meter at Lowes, home depot, hardware store, etc. Basic ones are around 15-25 bucks. I would not buy parts till you know your voltages. When you get it running again, check the voltage while its idling and post it here for us.

 

[pontiacgp]

Pontiac, aren't you still technically using the stock position solenoid in that diagram? The part you are trying to bypass. Why not just run the battery wire from the remote solenoid directly to the starter stud, bypassing the stock solenoid all together? Then there would not be a need for the short wire from the batt post to the s terminal.

because the solenoid is needed to engage the starter gear into the ring gear

 

[crucial118]

But I thought you was trying to eliminate the chances of the solenoid near the header getting heat soaked. If you take the battery wire from the remote solenoid to the bottom post of the starter you completely eliminate the solenoid and the starter will work as soon as the remote solenoid is energized.

 

[pontiacgp]

when the s terminal is connected to the battery terminal on the solenoid the solenoid is being bypassed and resolves the heat soak problem

 

[crucial118]

Pontiacgp, i love you but a solenoid is basically a relay. 2 contacts would be 12v + and - to energize the coil (in this case ign power and starter casing to engine ground) and battery voltage input and output. In that diagram you are using the battery output of the remote solenoid to energize the solenoid at the starter via small wire from battery post to "s" terminal. In the diagram you are using 2 solenoids to power that starter. If that solenoid at the starter goes bad(for whatever reason, heat soak, internal ground, etc. ) that starter will not start. Now if you want to wire it like that diagram that's cool, but it will not be functioning like a Ford setup or eliminate the heat soak problem that may or may not exist.