Are we toast?

[carnutjw]

When this topic comes up with friends or family , I always refer to the "news" that, after the unusually harsh winters of '77.'78, '79 in our area, a new Ice Age was coming, we were all going to die, wooly mammoths were going to reincarnate, etc. ( I was 10-11y.o. at this time, so-cool). I'm still here, no Ice Age, now something else is going to kill all of us. I believe every report, survey, poll, has some sort of bias positive or negative, otherwise- what question arose that inspired the investigation? Relllaaxxxx, we're all going to die, in due time, and I doubt it will be from climate change or whatever we're calling it this month. I call it that because I think it is the most accurate depiction. The climate is changing, it has always been changing and will continue to do so long after I am dead and gone.

 

[jiho]

The climate has been changing ever since there was a climate.

That's odd. The climate on this site hasn't changed a bit.

 

[jiho]

We're pretty close to toast out here, with smoke from the Dixie Fire. Just the latest caused by PG&E's electric grid. A giant corporation, but a also a state-regulated monopoly. What a convergence of characteristics.

 

[ck80]

We're pretty close to toast out here, with smoke from the Dixie Fire. Just the latest caused by PG&E's electric grid. A giant corporation, but a also a state-regulated monopoly. What a convergence of characteristics.

Better get used to it. You're gonna need at least TRIPLE the transmission equipment to comply with the commie mandate that only new EVs start being sold in your state. So figure on more fires too.

 

[LukeZ]

Hey, OP. Is this how you thought the thread would go?

Knowing this place, yes haha

Everyone brought up good points about climate change. Just using logic, I would say that it is a long term problem, but maybe not as imminent as the media makes it out to be. I guess we'll see in 2050. Glad to hear others' points of views.

Climate aside, one major issue from my first post that we still have is finite resources. There is only so much oil, only so much lithium, only so much cobalt, only so much copper, etc. on Earth. Regardless of what people think of global warming or global cooling, I think society needs to be more conscious about using our resources wisely.

Side note - I can't remember the name of the theory (maybe someone can help me out), but it's a very interesting one to me. It goes like this: should we destroy society, there are not enough fossil fuels and precious metals in easily reachable places for any subsequent society to achieve an Industrial Revolution. We have mind most of it and the only stuff that is left requires modern technology to reach.

That's all she wrote. Might make for a good book or movie!

 

[ck80]

Side note - I can't remember the name of the theory (maybe someone can help me out), but it's a very interesting one to me. It goes like this: should we destroy society, there are not enough fossil fuels and precious metals in easily reachable places for any subsequent society to achieve an Industrial Revolution. We have mind most of it and the only stuff that is left requires modern technology to reach.

That's all she wrote. Might make for a good book or movie!

Whoever came up with the theory is a crackpot, or a millennial with no recollections or evidence of life before the 1990s.

There's tons of coal that is easily reachable. And coal can be made into coal oil. Those are what fueled the industrial revolution. Traditional oil as we know it just came about as a replacement for lamp oil, and gasoline and distillates were considered waste and burned away as loss for a long time until they found a use in the ICE.

Really nothing in the original industrial revolution was fueled by fossil oil, methane, or natural gas. Those were modern byproducts. Plastics weren't into use until the 1950s. That's well past the industrial revolution, and, most products would be better if we went back without them.

Plenty of bauxite to make alumina then aluminum. Iron isn't an issue. Nope, all the raw materials necessary for the revolution are there.

 

[doood]

We're pretty close to toast out here, with smoke from the Dixie Fire. Just the latest caused by PG&E's electric grid. A giant corporation, but a also a state-regulated monopoly. What a convergence of characteristics.

that's called fascism. Regardless, clear the brush; problem solved.

 

[Texas82GP]

We're pretty close to toast out here, with smoke from the Dixie Fire. Just the latest caused by PG&E's electric grid. A giant corporation, but a also a state-regulated monopoly. What a convergence of characteristics.

California college professor set arson fire near Dixie Fire, authorities say

California college professor set arson fire near Dixie Fire, authorities say

A California college professor has been arrested, charged with arson in connection with one of a series of suspected arson fires set near the state’s massive Dixie Fire, authorities said, according to reports.

www.foxnews.com

 

[ck80]

California college professor set arson fire near Dixie Fire, authorities say

California college professor set arson fire near Dixie Fire, authorities say

A California college professor has been arrested, charged with arson in connection with one of a series of suspected arson fires set near the state’s massive Dixie Fire, authorities said, according to reports.

www.foxnews.com

Bet he was trying to blame it on climate change

 

[jiho]

Better get used to it. You're gonna need at least TRIPLE the transmission equipment to comply with the commie mandate that only new EVs start being sold in your state. So figure on more fires too.

Make that a Detroit commie mandate. But the way this state works, it seems more likely that they'll realize oh no, we'll need to do all this stuff, and decide not to because it's too hard.