BUILD THREAD Project Olds Cool (Recognition!!)

I wonder if you could get a 'patch panel' cut out of another car (that is too far gone to be saved) for that tricky area behind the quarter window on the driver's side? Kevin, do you know where a donar candidate is sitting?



That would be ideal, the trick would be to get Kevin to somehow cut out the pieces I'll need.
I do know that he has a line on a couple '78-'80 Cutlasses, but he hasn't actually got them yet. As far as I know, he has nothing currently. Also, I think they may be all vinyl top cars, so they may already have suffered the same rust damage as this one.
Hopefully he'll see this thread and chime in for us.[/QUOTE]


Looking so much better Donovan even if it has a section of the roof skin cut out! You're well on your way to getting Olds Cool looking top notch again!

Yeah I've been dragging my heels on picking up any cars....without getting into a bunch of detail on the board here I've had a medical issue come up and it seems if I do too much it kicks the hell out of me and I'm down and out for a bit. Looks like I'll need surgery going forward. I'm actually a little pissed about it as I had been dealing on at least 3 cars to pick up. Maybe I'll still grab the green 79 Cutlass and see what I can do. My son has been out of the house for awhile now and has a very busy schedule or he'd love to help....maybe I can get my daughter interested in helping me....hmmmm.
 
This is one thing I always regretted not learning. Special talent laying in new metal and having it look right.

Thanks for the comment, Canon.
A lot of it is learn as you go. Once you've got a couple smaller repairs under your belt, the bigger stuff doesn't seem quite as daunting.
Never too late to learn something new!

I don't claim to be an expert or a professional at this stuff, but the repairs and fabrication that I have done has seemed to turn out pretty well. Stay tuned to this thread if it interests you, and I'll walk you guys through the challenges I come across, and how I fix them.

Looking so much better Donovan even if it has a section of the roof skin cut out! You're well on your way to getting Olds Cool looking top notch again!

Yeah I've been dragging my heels on picking up any cars....without getting into a bunch of detail on the board here I've had a medical issue come up and it seems if I do too much it kicks the hell out of me and I'm down and out for a bit. Looks like I'll need surgery going forward. I'm actually a little pissed about it as I had been dealing on at least 3 cars to pick up. Maybe I'll still grab the green 79 Cutlass and see what I can do. My son has been out of the house for awhile now and has a very busy schedule or he'd love to help....maybe I can get my daughter interested in helping me....hmmmm.

Thanks for chiming in Kevin, I really appreciate it.

So sorry to head about your medical issue, hopefully it's not TOO serious!
Look after it, and stay healthy.

I'd really appreciate anything you or your kids can do to help me out. I'm not really in a bind just yet, but obviously any good repair sections you could be of assistance with would be invaluable. There's just simply no '78-'80 Cutlasses around here, donor or otherwise.
If there's no way you can help out, no worries. I'll find a way.
It just means I'll have to get creative!

Oh SH*T!! It's on like Donkey Kong! Glued to the screen.:popcorn::banana:

Hutch

Hahaha
Yeah, it's definitely on Hutch, like it or not. It just simply couldn't go on in that state any longer.
As I mentioned above, stay tuned as I go along, and I'll show y'all how I fix it. Hopefully it'll be somewhat informative and entertaining...!!

D.
 
Another update today, and this one with some much needed good news for a change!

After taking last night off, my girl and I wandered around a car show today. I had to chuckle when I saw this on the quarter window of a '70 Nova. I'm thinking I need one given the name of this car!

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After a lil afternoon nap, and a bite to eat, I got down to brass tacks on the car again this evening.

I pulled the car out and did a thorough blow out of the garage and contents, as well as the car. The dust from sanding is terrible. When it gets airborne, it ends up everywhere. Not to mention the rust flakes which have ended up EVERYWHERE.
With everything clean and tidy again, I dove right into tearing out the interior.

Pretty much everything came out. The only stuff still left in the car is the seats and console, carpet, dash, and door panels. Everything else came out. It never fails to amaze me the amount of parts there are that make up the insides of our cars!

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Headliner was a breeze to get out, except when it came to the opening around the AstroRoof. It took me a bit to figure out, but once I realized the headliner fabric was tucked into the stainless surround, it came out fine. Unfortunately, it's like every other G body, and in poor condition. It will need replacing before it goes back in.

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Oh, and with the back rest portion of the rear seat removed, I got a pleasant surprise once I turned it over:

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Yup, build, or broadcast sheet as it's sometimes referred to. I haven't removed and examined it yet, but it's nice to know it's there. It looks to be in remarkably good shape too. I'll likely take it off and attempt to decode it before the seats go back in.

With all the interior panels finally removed, I was able to get the quarter windows and chrome trim removed. Starting with the driver's side, I was pleasantly surprised with what I found:

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The bottom of the opening is all there, and in great shape. I was half expecting to find this all rotted out too. There's a couple small surface rust spots, but they're not deep, and will be easily removed. Here's a closer pic:

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The rear section is in poor shape, but then I already knew that. I could see it even with the moulding still on, so I wasn't surprised. This is the worst of the rust around the opening, and will need to be cut out and replaced.

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Removal of the window and moulding on the passenger's side yielded nearly identical findings:

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Again, the worst section is the back. Replacement is necessary here too.

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Continuing with the teardown, I unplugged the wiring and grounds to the AstroRoof, and foolishly attempted to remove it by myself. I do not recommend this.
Lol
The assembly is heavy and awkward, and should probably be removed (and installed!) with some help. I did not have that luxury however, so out it came by myself.
Once I weasled my way out from under it:

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The assembly itself is in remarkably good shape. There's no rust anywhere in the pan, the sliders all work great, and even the motor is in good condition. The only thing I found was lots of dirt, and more rust flakes:

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With a bit of grunting and some careful manipulation, I got it out of the car, and was able to stand it up and examine it closer.
It's not visible in any of these pics, but the leading edge of the painted outer skin is a bit rusted. I'll have to figure out how to remove it from the rest of the assembly to determine the extent of the damage, and what's necessary to fix it.
The outer side:

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Inner side:

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As you can see, the headliner material was no longer attached, and would flap around in the breeze while cruising. It drove me nutz. Again, I'll have to figure out how it comes out to get it fixed up.

Now that I finally had the giant AstroRoof assembly out of the way, I was able to get my first look at the underside of the roof skin:

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Imagine my surprise! You can obviously see the damaged area I cut out previously, but no signs of rust on either side! It's good, clean, solid metal.
🙂

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So that's it for tonight. I do believe all the tear down work is done, with the exception of cutting out the back window. Now I should at least be able to concentrate on the repairs; cutting and welding without fear of setting the interior on fire!
Lol
First off next time is going to be creating the patch panel for the hole in the roof. I've got a good idea and hopefully a good plan to tackle this.

Tune in tomorrow to see how that goes...

Thanks for checking back everyone!

D.
 
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Continuing with the teardown, I unplugged the wiring and grounds to the AstroRoof, and foolishly attempted to remove it by myself. I do not recommend this.
Lol
The assembly is heavy and awkward, and should probably be removed (and installed!) with some help. I did not have that luxury however, so out it came by myself.
Once I weasled my way out from under it:

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The assembly itself is in remarkably good shape. There's no rust anywhere in the pan, the sliders all work great, and even the motor is in good condition. The only thing I found was lots of dirt, and more rust flakes:

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With a bit of grunting and some careful manipulation, I got it out of the car, and was able to stand it up and examine it closer.
It's not visible in any of these pics, but the leading edge of the painted outer skin is a bit rusted. I'll have to figure out how to remove it from the rest of the assembly to determine the extent of the damage, and what's necessary to fix it.
The outer side:

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Inner side:

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As you can see, the headliner material was no longer attached, and would flap around in the breeze while cruising. It drove me nutz. Again, I'll have to figure out how it comes out to get it fixed up.

Now that I finally had the giant AstroRoof assembly out of the way, I was able to get my first look at the underside of the roof skin:

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Imagine my surprise! You can obviously see the damaged area I cut out previously, but no signs of rust on either side! It's good, clean, solid metal.
🙂

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So that's it for tonight. I do believe all the tear down work is done, with the exception of cutting out the back window. Now I should at least be able to concentrate on the repairs; cutting and welding without fear of setting the interior on fire!
Lol
First off next time is going to be creating the patch panel for the hole in the roof. I've got a good idea and hopefully a good plan to tackle this.

Tune in tomorrow to see how that goes...

Thanks for checking back everyone!

D.
Looks great on the inside Donovan! Great news!
 
Looking good my friend, and FWIW I think the wheels look great, and correct.
 
can't believe I'm just now reading this thread!:doh: the 78-80 cars aren't my favorite, but are growing on me, and both yours are great examples of how nice you can get them, even in progress stage.

before I even read the thread, and just heard the project name, I had to chuckle about it, cause I got it right away. my Grand Prix kinda got the same treatment to the name.... after the second trans burned up, and a few attempted rebuilds failed, I figured it needed a name (I had the car for only 6 months at the time, and hadn't named it yet... thought it was an omen...) and knew being named after american indian heritige, it became "Cheif Sh**ting Bull"!

I'm def in for the rest of the build, and seeing your attention to detal on the jauggernaut, and the wheels on this one, the show should be a blockbuster! :respect:

:popcorn: extra butter and salt on mine!
Darin
 
Looks great on the inside Donovan! Great news!

Agreed Jared. It was a pleasant surprise and a relief to be sure. I had visions of having a ton of rusty metal on the underside to somehow have to neutralize and prep. I'm very relieved to see that I'll only have minimal prep work to do, and only for the patch panel at that.
It's nice to catch a bit of a break for a change!

Looking good my friend, and FWIW I think the wheels look great, and correct.

Thanks Jim!
I'm very happy with the way the wheels turned out. In fact my neighbor saw them finished and on the car for the first time today. He was blown away at how good they looked. It was nice to hear that from him, as he saw them in progress when I was restoring them.

can't believe I'm just now reading this thread!:doh: the 78-80 cars aren't my favorite, but are growing on me, and both yours are great examples of how nice you can get them, even in progress stage.

before I even read the thread, and just heard the project name, I had to chuckle about it, cause I got it right away. my Grand Prix kinda got the same treatment to the name.... after the second trans burned up, and a few attempted rebuilds failed, I figured it needed a name (I had the car for only 6 months at the time, and hadn't named it yet... thought it was an omen...) and knew being named after american indian heritige, it became "Cheif Sh**ting Bull"!

I'm def in for the rest of the build, and seeing your attention to detal on the jauggernaut, and the wheels on this one, the show should be a blockbuster! :respect:

:popcorn: extra butter and salt on mine!
Darin

Thanks very much Darin.

Yeah, the '78-'80 models generally aren't most people's favourites due to their big chrome bumpers and boxy styling, but they kinda grow on you after a while. When I got my first '80, I purposely chose the '78-'80 years to be my build platform as I knew they'd always be a bit more rare than the '81-'88 models. Even though they were (and still are) more popular at the time.

I could see through all the "stick on" crap that The General burdened these cars with tho, and knew with a little work, I could reveal the cool car hiding underneath. I think most folks are starting to see that in The Juggernaut.

Glad to hear you not only "got" the pun in the name, but you liked it as well. The name you've christened your GP with is great as well!
I love the other reference to American indian heritage with Pontiac (the brand) being named after Chief Pontiac (the man) as well. Ties in awesome to your cars name. Great stuff!

Thanks for contributing to the thread with the great comments.

Donovan
 
Here we go with today's progress.

I only got a couple hours total in today due to being interrupted and having other things to do, but here's what I managed to accomplish anyways.

Before I could really get rolling on starting to make my patch, I spent some time bagging and tagging all the small parts and fasteners from yesterday's interior disassembly. All the parts and bags went into the trunk for short term temporary storage. Space is always at a premium around here, so ya gotta do what ya gotta do.
Only the back seats went into the basement of the house for storage, simply due to their size.

With that chore out of the way, I pulled the car out once more to give me some room to work. Digging through my stockpile of bulk sheetmetal, I found a piece in the right gauge that would be long enough for what I needed. I rough measured out a 6" x 50" piece, and cut it out.

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I proceeded to lay out both my final cut lines as well as my flange lines.

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The way that I'm going to repair the top of the roof is to cut a piece a bit larger than the hole in the roof, and flange the edges. By flanging the edges, this will provide a "step down" in the patch panel around the perimeter. The flanges will then have panel bond applied to them and clamped to the underside of the roof skin. By doing it this way, I will have no welding to do on the rooftop other than to close up the clamp holes. This will be the most effective way to repair it without the fear of warping the hell out of it with a bunch of welding and grinding.

With the patch panel ready for flanging, I installed a set of flanging dies on my bead roller...

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...and set them up. You can see how they work in this pic.

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I ran a test piece through the first set of dies I tried, and found they were too deep. Also, the gap between them was too far apart as seen in this closeup:

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This is why I always test before I commit. I changed the dies to shallower ones, and set the gap a little tighter. It's tough to tell in the pic, but it yielded a much better result.

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Satisfied that I had the machine set up correctly, I enlisted the help of my neighbor to help me flange the patch.

My little bead roller is a fantastic tool, but it's a budget model. In fact, it only came with the top portion, I built the stand, the die hooks, painted it, and changed out the crank handle it came with, to the wheel it has now.
What this all boils down to, is that it pretty much requires two people to get satisfactory results. One to turn the wheel, and one to feed the piece in and guide it along the lines.

We went slow and steady, and didn't rush it. When we had done all four sides, this is what it looked like:

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I purposely didn't cut along my final cut lines before flanging, because the step in the flange uses up some material, and would've left me shorter than what I wanted. Once the flanging was done, I cut off the excess material, and left myself an even 1/2" flange all around.

As one final test, and to demonstrate how it's going to work, I placed a scrap piece of sheetmetal along the step in the flange.

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As you can see, the two pieces are perfectly flush on the top with each other. This will reduce the amount of filler, blocking, etc to complete the repair.

Now, before anyone questions whether or not panel bond is sufficient or strong enough for this repair, do some research on it. Many high end manufacturers such as McLaren use it exclusively in the construction of their cars. It's commonly used in production body shops to attach box sides to pickup trucks, and other uses.
When properly applied and allowed to cure, it's actually stronger than the surrounding sheetmetal, and will not release or tear in the event of a collision. It's even GM approved!
😀

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