BUILD THREAD 86 GP 2+2~Blown 6.0

Put about 100 miles on the car this weekend running some errands, to work, and grabbing some ice cream sunday night.

Besides the clutch randomly not fully disengaging when the car sits for a few days (it comes back to normal when it warms up?) it's been great to get out and drive it a bit while the weather has been so nice.

Also note, summer only tires don't hook worth a poop when it's 45f. It's always been a bit spin happy when I try but it's noticeably worse in the cooler weather.

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My CPP sway bar bounced around CA for a few days before it got to my step but it arrived.

This is the same one Jim used on his Monte which is running a full 2 seconds faster than me so it should be sufficiently stiff. As mentioned my Blazer 1" bar isn't enough now that I'm in the high 1.5 60fts and I think (hope?) that's part of the reason I am wheel hopping/tire shaking due to the geometry going out of spec on the launch. The drivers studs and axle were bent but the passenger seemed OK, studs were a bit bent but not nearly as bad.

I have seen little to no photos (CPP's website is poor) or specs so heres a few before I toss it on. It's one of the few bars on the market that should be adjustable-ish so it will be OK on drag or autocross. Most drag bars are probably too solid for autocross or mount to the LCA which isn't great IMO. The blazer has been fine, but I'm beyond it's capability.

I was curious so I checked the area moment of inertia (basically what determines how 'stiff' the bar is)

The 1" blazer bar is .49in^4 and the CPP 1.25" hollow is .104in^4 so the CPP bar is roughly twice as stiff at the same weight.

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The bar is hollow, 1.25" OD and .75" ID. It weighs basically the same as the solid 1" Blazer bar. It's cross sectional area is the same.
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And you get 3 mount positions with room to add at least 2 holes closer to the mount bushings. As I mentioned this bar is 2x as stiff as the blazer bar cross section wise but there is some additional mechanical advantage you gain/loose as you move the frame side chassis mount closer or farther away from the mount bushing. It get's stiffer the closer you move the mount toward the mount. So a 1" blazer bar with an 8" mount to endlink length is as stiff as this CPP bar will be with a 16" mount to endlink length. Mounting to the LCA frame pickup points instead of some chassis braces like my blazer bar is should also help.

And all steel, regardless of grade, has the same modulus of elasticity so if CPP used 4340 and GM used 1040 it's the same.

The CPP bar is also narrower from each arm than a Blazer bar so that makes it stiffer also (less length to rotate axially)

Basically everything points to it being stiffer. Only thing I'm not a fan of that I already see is the end links sit really low. Theres 100% room to pull it up so I am either going to weld some tabs on the supplied chassis brackets or more likely just make a separate part that bolts on. More on that Sunday.

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Can't want to hear more on the bar. I was thinking of doing the blazer car Since its cheap and I can get it soon. Once I do the 8.8 swap I'll be losing my UMI car. I don't think I'm ready to go full on ARB. The Blazer bar might still be enough for me now as a head/cam 5.3 even when I swap over to the 6.0 short block.
 
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The mount for the upper link could use some re-engineering. It forces the arm to hang lower than I'd like. I shortened the links that came with it and am hoping to have the time to raise the uppers about a 1/2-1"

DSPbuilt this bar is miles better than an S10 Blazer bar. But is not a true ARB - it will flex a little. If you're using an Explorer 8.8 , then you'll need different axle mounts as well due to the ones that come with it are for a smaller diameter axle tube, but they are dirt cheap at a spring/axle shop - about $4 or $5 apiece.
 
Drilled & tapped 5/8 holes into my new sacrificial torque twisters


They fit. I wish I would have went 1/2-20 Because I did have to drill these out one size and they're snug to get in, but it's done

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But it's done, good to drive for another few weeks.

I think this car is going to the in laws for storage again for the winter and the cutlass is going to get a trans and efi upgrade.
What lug nuts are those? I'm having a hard time finding conical nuts for 5/8 studs are arent huge
 
What lug nuts are those? I'm having a hard time finding conical nuts for 5/8 studs are arent huge

I had the same problem. These use a 7/8 socket

Gorilla Automotive 76158HT
 
I had the same problem. These use a 7/8 socket

Gorilla Automotive 76158HT
That seems to be about as small as they get I was looking at the Moroso 46340, which also uses a 7/8 socket.
 
Installed the cpp bar today

Lipstick on a pig

It took some modification but it was pretty much drop in minus cutting the end links down 1/4".

Blazer vs. cpp
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I essentially tossed the instructions in the trash and installed it wrong to make it fit better.

The instructions call to put the swaybar on the bottom of the bracket and it ends up hanging below the frame, but nothing stops you from putting it on the top.
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I had the same problem. These use a 7/8 socket

Gorilla Automotive 76158HT
Found these in todays search. a little pricey but I might give it a shot.
 
So phase 2 of 'stop breaking axle parts' is ask people how the launch looks and try to figure our why I get the tire shudder from 15-45ft off the starting line. The default is to change tire pressure or shocks, but I think I have done a light scan of both on my setup and yielded no results. There's a drag race suspension FB page I asked on and got a lot of varied, but good comments. Typical increase tire pressure & shock settings, but a few good other checks. Actually had a few stick guys comment that the DR2 works well for them which was great to see I just don't get a 'toss a bias on it' comment. Also, similar weight and power auto combos so something to start with.

As a refresher I have 275 Hoosier DR2 radials on a 10" wheel and have tried 17-21.5 psi in the tire and 7-12 clicks from full tight on the shocks. My shake/shudder problem seemed to turn on with more power and faster 60ft times. 1.75+ not an issue, 1.68 light shudder, 1.57 heavier shudder.

My issue is that the car is heavy, makes very abrupt power with the blower & stick, and neither are kind to the suspension. I think my IC/geometry is OK, I have about 110% and have video showing the car lifting and applying mechanical advantage to the tire like a radial chassis should. I know part of my problem is the chassis roll was excessive and I've dealt with that. It's possible the geometry is going out of whack when it's twisting or topping out the shock travel on the drivers side so that needed to be addressed.

I've came to 3 conclusions/answers outside of tire pressure & shock adjustments

1. Chassis: I need to get rid of my poly LCA bushings and go solid hiem. A few people have noted even poly is too soft at this power and weight with a stick. There are also comments that I really need bracing on the chassis at this weight and power. Something like UMI UCA to LCA tie in brackets, weld in the LCA braces, stuff like that. If you watch my launch videos carefully it looks like the axle is moving front to back in the chassis on a launch. That really only happens when the tire shudders but it's something that could be influencing it.

2. Shock travel: I need to check where the shock travel is topping out and and see if it I hit top of stroke and that causes my shudder. I might need to move up/down the pickup point holes. I know I could have topped my suspension travel out when the shocks were loose, I tightened the shocks and the problem went away, but then I added power and now I'm shuddering. I might be topping the travel of the shock out, but it's slow and not as abrupt so I don't notice it in the video

3. Tire: Sometimes drag radials get in this odd dead zone. They are fine with low power, and fine with high power, but don't do well in this middle zone, I might be in that dead zone. A stiffer wall tire, or tube can help stiffen the sidewall up. The tire might just also be 'dead'. The sidewalls could be worn out over ~50 passes and 18 months.

Outside of that, playing with front travel extend rate or travel limiters or adding instant center adjustment position holes on the chassis side for the UCA is something to do, but that's phase 3 or 4 if that doesn't work.

I also don't need to be afraid of going much tighter on the shocks, 2-3 clicks from full tight on the rebound might be fine! I was 7+ from full tight. Also, tire pressure, 21 seems high, but I shouldn't feel hesitant to add pressure at 23 or more.

So I will for sure do 1 & 2 over this winter, and then head back to the track. Then I will play with shocks and tire pressure again. Beyond that, putting new tires on & addressing travel limit or instant center is a mid summer next year thing if 1 & 2 don't succeed.
 

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