78 GMC caballero (elky love)

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I don't blame ya for not wanting to drive it in the winter. Here in PA/NJ etc, they salt and brine the roads. But this is still my daily driver. That is the reason for the beliner on the floors, and the ceramic chassis paint going on the frame/suspension.
 
Yeah, Im not normally so catious about my cars. Im normally the sort that says Ill enjoy the hell out of it and if it breaks or rusts Ill fix it. I just am so sentamental about these cars and have wanted one for so long that I really feel the need to baby it...
 
Got a little bit of work done tonight;
Balljoints and most the bushings installed in the upper and lower front control arms... And got the rear upper control arm bushings then I ran out of lube. The second tube of assembily lube will be here mid next week..
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Got a bit of garage time today..
I was able to clean and organize the garage and get the rear end ripped appart...
Btw, here are just some reference pics
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Also little trick for removing ebrake retainer clips, wrap a hose clamp around the clip, tighten it and bang it out with a hammer and screwdriver...
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I was very suprised to see this
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I never thought it could be a limited slip... I'm starting to think a gear set and disc brake conversion might be a good investment. I don't plan on making much over 375 crank horse for a while...
Any way, after a few hours of work she is ready for cleaning and fresh paint...
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I did a rough ratio check and it looks to be about 3.75:1
 
Just ran through your thread. You have a great starting point. And good news on the 3.73 posi too. Normally island cars rust pretty badly. I guess, being from your area, that may be relative.
 
Posi rears are always nice, even if it is just the 7.5. Glad to see you are still making some progress. 😀
 
liquidh8 said:
Posi rears are always nice, even if it is just the 7.5. Glad to see you are still making some progress. 😀
slow but I am trying to keep moving forward. Little rough these days, the cold and now rain is killing my shoulder. Getting tough to get out there and get motivated..
DRIVEN said:
Just ran through your thread. You have a great starting point. And good news on the 3.73 posi too. Normally island cars rust pretty badly. I guess, being from your area, that may be relative.
Thankyou!
It is rusted but in a totally different pattern than I'm used to typically around here you see the lower fenders, lower rockers, and around the wheel wells totally destroyed before you start to see any rust around the windshields or door jambs...

good bit of luck for me this week...
A buddy has a 2001 ls1 fbody that started developing a noise in the rear end. So he rounded up a replacement and gave me a great deal on his old one. I am going to investigate the possibility of the axle and carrier swap and definitely do the disc swap..
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Got a little bit of time today away from the honey-do list...
I ripped appart the f-body rear end with no major drama (not bad I thought for never having done it before).
Had an issue with the caballero rear end however, the head on the cross pin set screw stripped out on me. I tried just about every trick I knew till I was left with just one option (in my mind)
I welded an 8mm wrench to the screw head
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Used that to break it loose than snapped the wrech off
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Smoothed out the jagged edges then made a notch in it
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Then used a chisel with the notch I created to turn the screw out, then once I couldn't turn it any more I notched it again and chiseled it more till it came out.

So side by side stack up, you can see by my super calibrated height gauge the f-body axles are clearly longer
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Ok so perhapse this is a little more acurate
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Now to be fare and perhapse a little more scientific, the lugs on the ls1 axles are about 1/4" longer so that makes the tops of these axles about 1/4" higher than the g body ones but that does not account for the differences you see here.
IMO
To use the 4th gen ls1 F-body axles and carrier it would require at least getting the axles cut down and perhapse different bearings.

Next I turned my attention to the differentials.
Here you see the visual comparison between the g-body LSD diff (left) and the f-body open diff (right) they appear dimensionally identical.
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The g-body pinion count was 11 teeth and ring tooth count was 41 which added credibility to the stamping on the pinion that read "11-41-GM"
By my math that gives 41/11=3.727 soo, 3.73:1 gear ratio.
F-body came out to be 12-41 so that gives us 41/12=3.416 so 3.42:1 ratio
Please chime in if my math is wrong here...

That all being said with the thickness differences between the two the ls1 fbody axles are notisably thicker and perhapse would be worth the money and effort, however for me seeing that the ls1 rear end is an open diff with a less desirable rear end, it would not be worth it to me.

So my game plan is to swap over the ls1 brake bits, relocate the G-body shock mounts more inward, relocate spring purches (be evedent why later) than re-assemble the G-body housing with the G-body gears and axles, new seals all around, paint install and run till it pops.

I might entertain the idea of cutting down the axles, swapping ring and pinions,welding the spider gears to make the F-body carrier (now a welded spool) and swapping out bearings where needed, however it would have to be one heck of a deal to cut down the axles.
I am already $125 into this setup, if I get any where close to $500 total it would be more cost effective to get an 8.8 mustang cobra solid rear axle (with disc brakes 373 or 410)

As a disclaimer this is 100% my observations, 0 research has been done to this point, please feel free to ad links to supporting documentation on G-body/F-body hybrid axles..
 
I have had more or those pin bolts snap on me than I can count, and that is pretty much the way i do it too. What a pain. Your math for the gear ratio is sound. IMO, I would just hook up the LS1 brakes, slap in some new seals and axles bearings, and run it till it grenades. :twisted: Spending 500 bones on a 7.5 isn't worth IMO, I would just save for a 9" on at least and 8.5.

Glad you are making some progress though. Which way are you mounting the calipers, towards the front or rear?
 
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